Fedora Legacy shutting down

[David Eisenstein]

In case any of you are not aware, the Fedora Legacy project is in the
process of shutting down.

The current model for supporting maintenance distributions is being
re-examined. In the meantime, we are unable to extend support to older
Fedora Core releases as we had planned. As of now, Fedora Core 4 and
earlier distributions are no longer being maintained.

Discussions last night on the #Fedora-Legacy channel have brought to
light the fact that certain Fedora Legacy properties (servers) may be
going away soon, such as the repository at
<http://download.fedoralegacy.org/> and the build server. Legacy folks
need to let us know what they want to be done with the content in the
repository mirrors. If you don't speak up, we may find ourselves in a
place where 'yum update' commands will fail in the near future for the
Red Hat and Fedora Core releases that Legacy has supported in the past.

If there are any issues you need to discuss regarding these events, you
are welcome to discuss them on our IRC channel (channel #Fedora-Legacy
on the freenode IRC network <http://freenode.net/>), or on the Fedora
Legacy discussion list:
<https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list>


Sincerely,
Jesse Keating
and
David Eisenstein
of the Legacy Team.

[Danny Yee]

Post by David Eisenstein
If you don't speak up, we may find ourselves in a
place where 'yum update' commands will fail in the near future for the
Red Hat and Fedora Core releases that Legacy has supported in the past.

That's probably a good thing. Many people running FC may not realise
they're no longer getting security fixes, but they may notice if
their cron updates start failing instead of just finding no updates.

Danny.
Computer Systems Manager
School of Medical Sciences
University of Sydney

[Bill McGonigle]

I'm wondering if anybody is working on a communications piece for the
shutdown. A who-what-when-where-why-how sort of article? I'm
assuming it would be on the Wiki/homepage if it were, but here's
asking anyhow.

So, assuming it hasn't been, I can volunteer to put something
together, to save the multitudes the effort of investigation. I
spent some time looking over the last couple months of mailing list
archives, the internetnews piece, and Jesse's blog, but I'm not
convinced I have the whole story. Some outstanding questions would be:

* was there any attempt to recruit new leadership?
* ditto for sponsorship
* is there data on usage (I saw that 'interest was low' but I'm
not sure if it means interest in volunteering or interest in terms of
yum updates)
* probably lots more I'm not thinking about now, and it's late so
my reading comprehension is likely sub-par

So, everybody feel free to send me any interesting factoids that
would be relevant for someone wading into this today for the first
time, and perhaps facing a mini support crisis right about now. I'll
assemble and post back here with something for feedback. I bet lots
of folks will want some information come Tuesday.

And if somebody is already doing this, great, no intention to step on
toes.

-Bill

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[Jesse Keating]

I'm wondering if anybody is working on a communications piece for the  
shutdown.  A who-what-when-where-why-how sort of article?  I'm  
assuming it would be on the Wiki/homepage if it were, but here's  
asking anyhow.

Reading this list over the last year or so would be good info.

So, assuming it hasn't been, I can volunteer to put something  
together, to save the multitudes the effort of investigation.  I  
spent some time looking over the last couple months of mailing list  
archives, the internetnews piece, and Jesse's blog, but I'm not  
   * was there any attempt to recruit new leadership?

Yes, leadership does no good without contributors.

   * ditto for sponsorship

Nobody has responded to our calls for help. Nobody.

   * is there data on usage (I saw that 'interest was low' but I'm  
not sure if it means interest in volunteering or interest in terms of  
yum updates)

Sure, there are a good number of consumers, people who will happily consume
until the project ends, however they are not willing to actually DO any of
the work necessary to keep the project alive. They would be better suited
consuming updates from a product that is designed for their usage cases.

   * probably lots more I'm not thinking about now, and it's late so  
my reading comprehension is likely sub-par

[Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)]

Post by David Eisenstein
Discussions last night on the #Fedora-Legacy channel have brought
to light the fact that certain Fedora Legacy properties (servers)
may be going away soon, such as the repository at <http://
download.fedoralegacy.org/> and the build server.

I'd like to mirror the legacy tree (at least the FC2, FC3 and FC4
part of it) to a local server, but 'rsync download.fedoralegacy.org
legacy' tells me I cannot mirror the tree as I'm not an official
mirror. http://www.fedoralegacy.org/download/mirror-form.php tells me
mirror registration is disabled. Is there a quick way to get those
files? I'd rather not download them one by one and I might want to
use a couple of those rpms before I have completed migrating my EOL'd
Fedora servers.

Nils Breunese.

[Jesse Keating]

I'd like to mirror the legacy tree (at least the FC2, FC3 and FC4  
part of it) to a local server, but 'rsync download.fedoralegacy.org  
legacy' tells me I cannot mirror the tree as I'm not an official  
mirror. http://www.fedoralegacy.org/download/mirror-form.php tells me  
mirror registration is disabled. Is there a quick way to get those  
files? I'd rather not download them one by one and I might want to  
use a couple of those rpms before I have completed migrating my EOL'd  
Fedora servers.

If you read the message more carefully you'll see that you aren't being denied
access, only that mirrors have a special port to use that should the load
become too high only the mirrors would get access. You're perfectly capable
of rsyncing all the content you want.

[D.Terweij | NTG-Support]

Post by David Eisenstein
In case any of you are not aware, the Fedora Legacy project is in the
process of shutting down.

Does have anyone a rscync line for me to get the whole FC3 tree to my local
hdd?
I am still using some FC3 boxes, and dont want to miss the FL packages if i
need some...

Danny.

[n***@lemonbit.nl]

Post by D.Terweij | NTG-Support

Post by David Eisenstein
In case any of you are not aware, the Fedora Legacy project is in the
process of shutting down.

Does have anyone a rscync line for me to get the whole FC3 tree to my
local hdd?
I am still using some FC3 boxes, and dont want to miss the FL packages if
i need some...

I wanted to do the same, but 'rsync download.fedoralegacy.org::legacy
legacy' told me I wasn't allowed to do that because I'm not a registered
mirror. The mirror page tells me mirror registration is disabled. Any
other way to get the tree without having to download each individual
package?

Nils Breunese.

[seth vidal]

Post by n***@lemonbit.nl

Post by D.Terweij | NTG-Support

Post by David Eisenstein
In case any of you are not aware, the Fedora Legacy project is in the
process of shutting down.

Does have anyone a rscync line for me to get the whole FC3 tree to my
local hdd?
I am still using some FC3 boxes, and dont want to miss the FL packages if
i need some...

I wanted to do the same, but 'rsync download.fedoralegacy.org::legacy
legacy' told me I wasn't allowed to do that because I'm not a registered
mirror. The mirror page tells me mirror registration is disabled. Any
other way to get the tree without having to download each individual
package?

Try it now.

-sv

[D.Terweij | NTG-Support]

Post by seth vidal

Post by n***@lemonbit.nl

Post by D.Terweij | NTG-Support

Post by David Eisenstein
In case any of you are not aware, the Fedora Legacy project is in the
process of shutting down.

Does have anyone a rscync line for me to get the whole FC3 tree to my
local hdd?
I am still using some FC3 boxes, and dont want to miss the FL packages if
i need some...

I wanted to do the same, but 'rsync download.fedoralegacy.org::legacy
legacy' told me I wasn't allowed to do that because I'm not a registered
mirror. The mirror page tells me mirror registration is disabled. Any
other way to get the tree without having to download each individual
package?

Try it now.

# rsync download.fedoralegacy.org::legacy legacy
Fedora Legacy Rsync - Restricted use. To sign up to be an official mirror,
visit http://fedoralegacy.org/download/mirror-form.php

[seth vidal]

Post by D.Terweij | NTG-Support

Post by seth vidal

Post by n***@lemonbit.nl

Post by D.Terweij | NTG-Support

Post by David Eisenstein
In case any of you are not aware, the Fedora Legacy project is in the
process of shutting down.

Does have anyone a rscync line for me to get the whole FC3 tree to my
local hdd?
I am still using some FC3 boxes, and dont want to miss the FL packages

if

Post by seth vidal

Post by n***@lemonbit.nl

Post by D.Terweij | NTG-Support
i need some...

I wanted to do the same, but 'rsync download.fedoralegacy.org::legacy
legacy' told me I wasn't allowed to do that because I'm not a registered
mirror. The mirror page tells me mirror registration is disabled. Any
other way to get the tree without having to download each individual
package?

Try it now.

# rsync download.fedoralegacy.org::legacy legacy
Fedora Legacy Rsync - Restricted use. To sign up to be an official mirror,
visit http://fedoralegacy.org/download/mirror-form.php

seems to work for me if you use:

rsync -avH download.fedoralegacy.org::legacy legacy


-sv

[Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)]

Post by seth vidal
rsync -avH download.fedoralegacy.org::legacy legacy

Works me for me too now.

Nils Breunese.

[D.Terweij | NTG-Support]

Post by Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)
Works me for me too now.
Nils Breunese.

Yes here too. Dont hope that a lot of ppl are raping the server now :S
It is very slow overhere. arround 2-3Mbit

I am try to create a local repo if all is synced and add that to my boxes.
And maybe i set it online too. You never know who else is in need of "old"
packages.

At the moment if i want a new version or a security fix, i try to rebuild a
fc4/5/6 src rpm .
It not always builds fine, then i skip that or try to remove a package and
install from source tarballs from author websites.

Just a bad choice to run FC in production environments afterwards. Not
always easy to upgrade to newer ones.

Danny.

[Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)]

Post by D.Terweij | NTG-Support
I am try to create a local repo if all is synced and add that to my boxes.
And maybe i set it online too. You never know who else is in need of "old"
packages.

Do I understand correctly that the FC1-FC4 base and updates
repositories will still be available at http://
download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/ and its mirrors? So
when download.fedoralegacy.org and its mirrors stop the only packages
that we'll 'lose' are the legacy updates? Couldn't the legacy
packages maybe somehow be added to a legacy directory under http://
download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/? Extras has a dir there
too...

Nils Breunese.

[Jesse Keating]

Post by D.Terweij | NTG-Support
# rsync download.fedoralegacy.org::legacy legacy
Fedora Legacy Rsync - Restricted use. To sign up to be an official mirror,
visit http://fedoralegacy.org/download/mirror-form.php

This is just the header, you'll still get content. The standard port
is 'restricted' in that if load becomes too high, it will be shut off and
only mirrors will have access. Until then, you can sync all you want.

[Axel Thimm]

Post by David Eisenstein
In case any of you are not aware, the Fedora Legacy project is in the
process of shutting down.

I think since this is the very official end of the project, very
official thanks for all efforts are in order!

[Matthew Miller]

Post by Axel Thimm

Post by David Eisenstein
In case any of you are not aware, the Fedora Legacy project is in the
process of shutting down.

I think since this is the very official end of the project, very
official thanks for all efforts are in order!

Yes, thank you so much, everyone. All of your work has been very helpful.

[Josep L. Guallar-Esteve]

Post by David Eisenstein
In case any of you are not aware, the Fedora Legacy project is in the
process of shutting down.

Thank you to everybody who helped in this project.

Happy New Year :)

-- Josep

[Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)]

Post by David Eisenstein
In case any of you are not aware, the Fedora Legacy project is in the
process of shutting down.

There's a big discussion going on on Slashdot (http://
linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/31/1837253). I think it
really is time to change the right sidebar on www.fedoralegacy.org.
It still says RHL 7.3, 9 and FC3 and 4 are supported releases. The
statement in the middle column says FC4 and earlier releases are no
longer maintained, but it doesn't make a statement about RHL 7.3 and
9. Also http://download.fedoralegacy.org/ is still saying RHL 7.3, 9
and FC3 and 4 are active releases.

Can someone please change these? They're both very small changes, but
I think it's best not to confuse people now.

Nils Breunese.

[Eric Rostetter]

Post by Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)
There's a big discussion going on on Slashdot (http://
linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/31/1837253). I think it really
is time to change the right sidebar on www.fedoralegacy.org. It still
says RHL 7.3, 9 and FC3 and 4 are supported releases. The statement in
the middle column says FC4 and earlier releases are no longer
maintained, but it doesn't make a statement about RHL 7.3 and 9. Also
http://download.fedoralegacy.org/ is still saying RHL 7.3, 9 and FC3
and 4 are active releases.

Fixed on www.fedoralegacy.org, but not on download.fedoralegacy.org.

Post by Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)
Can someone please change these? They're both very small changes, but
I think it's best not to confuse people now.

Jesse will have to do download.fedoralegacy.org.

Post by Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)
Nils Breunese.

[Jesse Keating]

Post by Eric Rostetter
Fixed on www.fedoralegacy.org, but not on download.fedoralegacy.org.

Post by Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)
Can someone please change these? They're both very small changes, but
I think it's best not to confuse people now.

Jesse will have to do download.fedoralegacy.org.

The plan for download.fedoralegacy.org is to point it at the document
describing the project status with a pointer to the last known mirror list.
This way repos will break, people will go to the URL to see whats up, notice
the project closure, and reconfigure for one of the mirrors if they still
need updates, and make informed decisions regarding their system's future.

[Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)]

Post by Jesse Keating

Post by Eric Rostetter
Fixed on www.fedoralegacy.org, but not on download.fedoralegacy.org.

Post by Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)
Can someone please change these? They're both very small changes, but
I think it's best not to confuse people now.

Jesse will have to do download.fedoralegacy.org.

The plan for download.fedoralegacy.org is to point it at the document
describing the project status with a pointer to the last known
mirror list.
This way repos will break, people will go to the URL to see whats up, notice
the project closure, and reconfigure for one of the mirrors if they still
need updates, and make informed decisions regarding their system's future.

So download.fedoralegacy.org is down now, but there is no document
there describing the project status. Of course people should be
looking at www.fedoralegacy.org after trying
download.fedoralegacy.org, but can a page a like still be put up?

Also I'd like to know if there's a list of mirrors that will continue
to be available for a while. If not I'd like to know how I can rsync
all packages created by the Fedora Legacy Project without also
rsyncing the packages that are still available at
download.fedora.redhat.com. Most packages have legacy in their
filename, but I believe some do not. Can anyone shed some more light
on this?

I'd like to have the Fedora Legacy archive available because
sometimes I have start managing an old Fedora box and I like to be
able to at least get the latest legacy fixes on them directly as
planning a migration takes a little time.

Thanks,

Nils Breunese.

[Stuart Low]

Heya,

Post by Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)
Also I'd like to know if there's a list of mirrors that will continue
to be available for a while. If not I'd like to know how I can rsync
all packages created by the Fedora Legacy Project without also
rsyncing the packages that are still available at
download.fedora.redhat.com. Most packages have legacy in their
filename, but I believe some do not. Can anyone shed some more light
on this?

I believe PlanetMirror still has a full mirror over here:
http://public.www.planetmirror.com/pub/fedoralegacy

I will ask the appropriate people to leave it up as long as possible.

Stuart

[Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)]

Post by Stuart Low

Post by Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)
Also I'd like to know if there's a list of mirrors that will continue
to be available for a while. If not I'd like to know how I can rsync
all packages created by the Fedora Legacy Project without also
rsyncing the packages that are still available at
download.fedora.redhat.com. Most packages have legacy in their
filename, but I believe some do not. Can anyone shed some more light
on this?

http://public.www.planetmirror.com/pub/fedoralegacy
I will ask the appropriate people to leave it up as long as possible.

Thank you.

Nils Breunese.

[David Eisenstein]

Post by Jesse Keating
The plan for download.fedoralegacy.org is to point it at the document
describing the project status with a pointer to the last known mirror list.
This way repos will break, people will go to the URL to see whats up,
notice the project closure, and reconfigure for one of the mirrors
if they still need updates, and make informed decisions regarding their
system's future.

So download.fedoralegacy.org is down now, but there is no document there
describing the project status. Of course people should be looking at
www.fedoralegacy.org after trying download.fedoralegacy.org, but can a
page a like still be put up?

I will try to work with Jesse in the next week or so to see what we can
do to put a page up so that <http://download.fedoralegacy.org/...> will
go to such an information page. Currently, the dnsname
'download.fedoralegacy.org' appears to be an alias which points to the
canonical name 'legacy.linux.duke.edu' (152.3.183.83), which looks like
it indeed has been taken down. I believe the plan is to have 'download.
fedoralegacy.org' point to a different server or virtual server that can
serve up the informational web-page and won't go down for a long while.

Also I'd like to know if there's a list of mirrors that will continue to
be available for a while. If not I'd like to know how I can rsync all
packages created by the Fedora Legacy Project without also rsyncing the
packages that are still available at download.fedora.redhat.com. Most
packages have legacy in their filename, but I believe some do not. Can
anyone shed some more light on this?

In addition to what someone else said about the planetmirror mirror in
another message, I had heard that the fermilab ftp mirror (of Batavia,
Illinois, USA) has no intention to go down any time soon. The contact
there, Troy Dawson, kindly informed Jesse Keating that fnal's mirror
has always been a full mirror of the legacy repository, and pains were
taken to make sure it would remain there without losing any data or
packages when the main repo went down.

Fermilab mirror:

ftp://linux21.fnal.gov/linux/legacy/

A mirror I have used in the past at Iowa State University (Ames, Iowa,
USA) appears to still be up, but I have no idea what plans, if any, they
have for keeping it around:

http://rh-mirror.linux.iastate.edu/fedoralegacy/
ftp://rh-mirror.linux.iastate.edu/fedoralegacy/

More information about Iowa State's mirror, including contact
information, appears to be on the web here:
http://rh-mirror.linux.iastate.edu/fedora-legacy/

I'd like to have the Fedora Legacy archive available because sometimes I
have start managing an old Fedora box and I like to be able to at least
get the latest legacy fixes on them directly as planning a migration
takes a little time.

I wish you luck, Nils.

Warm regards,
David Eisenstein

[Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)]

Post by David Eisenstein
In addition to what someone else said about the planetmirror mirror in
another message, I had heard that the fermilab ftp mirror (of Batavia,
Illinois, USA) has no intention to go down any time soon. The contact
there, Troy Dawson, kindly informed Jesse Keating that fnal's mirror
has always been a full mirror of the legacy repository, and pains were
taken to make sure it would remain there without losing any data or
packages when the main repo went down.
ftp://linux21.fnal.gov/linux/legacy/
A mirror I have used in the past at Iowa State University (Ames, Iowa,
USA) appears to still be up, but I have no idea what plans, if any, they
http://rh-mirror.linux.iastate.edu/fedoralegacy/
ftp://rh-mirror.linux.iastate.edu/fedoralegacy/
More information about Iowa State's mirror, including contact
http://rh-mirror.linux.iastate.edu/fedora-legacy/

Thanks for the information, David.

Nils Breunese.

[Jesse Keating]

Post by David Eisenstein
Discussions last night on the #Fedora-Legacy channel have brought to
light the fact that certain Fedora Legacy properties (servers) may be
going away soon, such as the repository at
<http://download.fedoralegacy.org/> and the build server.  Legacy folks
need to let us know what they want to be done with the content in the
repository mirrors.  If you don't speak up, we may find ourselves in a
place where 'yum update' commands will fail in the near future for the
Red Hat and Fedora Core releases that Legacy has supported in the past.

I would like to make clear that the servers are only going offline because the
project is ending, and keeping them online consumes real resources. This
consumption is unnecessary if the project is shut down.

[Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)]

On Saturday 30 December 2006 00:23, fedora-legacy-

Post by David Eisenstein
Discussions last night on the #Fedora-Legacy channel have brought to
light the fact that certain Fedora Legacy properties (servers) may be
going away soon, such as the repository at
<http://download.fedoralegacy.org/> and the build server. Legacy folks
need to let us know what they want to be done with the content in the
repository mirrors. If you don't speak up, we may find ourselves in a
place where 'yum update' commands will fail in the near future for the
Red Hat and Fedora Core releases that Legacy has supported in the past.

I would like to make clear that the servers are only going offline because the
project is ending, and keeping them online consumes real
resources. This
consumption is unnecessary if the project is shut down.

I understand, but I would really appreciate it if the updates created
by Fedora Legacy would not just disappear. Any chance (like I asked
before in another post) they could be hosted in a legacy dir under
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/ or something? The
download.fedora.redhat.com site still hosts all base, updates and
extras packages for all Fedora releases since version 1, so I imagine
adding the FL created packages shouldn't take a lot of extra space.

Nils.

[Nigel Henry]

Post by Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)

On Saturday 30 December 2006 00:23, fedora-legacy-

Post by David Eisenstein
Discussions last night on the #Fedora-Legacy channel have brought to
light the fact that certain Fedora Legacy properties (servers) may be
going away soon, such as the repository at
<http://download.fedoralegacy.org/> and the build server. Legacy folks
need to let us know what they want to be done with the content in the
repository mirrors. If you don't speak up, we may find ourselves in a
place where 'yum update' commands will fail in the near future for the
Red Hat and Fedora Core releases that Legacy has supported in the past.

I would like to make clear that the servers are only going offline because the
project is ending, and keeping them online consumes real
resources. This
consumption is unnecessary if the project is shut down.

I understand, but I would really appreciate it if the updates created
by Fedora Legacy would not just disappear. Any chance (like I asked
before in another post) they could be hosted in a legacy dir under
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/ or something? The
download.fedora.redhat.com site still hosts all base, updates and
extras packages for all Fedora releases since version 1, so I imagine
adding the FL created packages shouldn't take a lot of extra space.
Nils.

I have to agree with Nils. It doesn't make any sense that I can reinstall FC2
for example, get all the updates up until the time it was taken over by
Fedora legacy, and yet all the Fedora Legacy updates are going to be sent
down the can when the servers are switched off.

This doesn't seem very fair considering all the time spent by various folks,
including yourself, in prolonging the life of RH7.2, RH9, FC1, FC2, and FC3.

Surely there is someway to incorporate the legacy updates into Redhat Fedora
updates. If not there doesn't seem to be much sense in the Redhat Fedora
servers (core and updates) still being online for RH7.2, RH9, FC1, FC2, and
FC3.

I have to say that the best FC versions, with the least install problems have
been FC1, and FC2, and am posting from one of my FC2 installs at this time.
I can understand moving on, and have FC3, FC4, and FC5 installed on my 2
machines. They have all presented their own problems. FC3 has a continual
problem with KDE's kicker crashing each time I logout. FC4 would only run
using Xorg's vesa driver until I did 100's of MB's of updates. FC5 on one
machine using a Rage 128 card with r128 driver would not start X, and I had
to use the vesa driver. Apparently this is a bug in Xorg-7.0. On the other
machine FC5 works ok with my onboard Cyberbladei1 card using the trident
driver, and I'm not complaining about FC5 on this machine as it works ok.

All in all though I still believe that FC1 with the 2.4 kernel, and FC2 moving
to the 2.6 kernel have been the best of FC for me.

I'm only a home user, and only been using computers since 2003, and mainly
Linux. I wish I could have helped with Fedora Legacy, but didn't feel
suitably qualified. It's a real shame seeing it going down the tubes.

Nigel.

[Jesse Keating]

I understand, but I would really appreciate it if the updates created  
by Fedora Legacy would not just disappear. Any chance (like I asked  
before in another post) they could be hosted in a legacy dir under  
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/ or something? The  
download.fedora.redhat.com site still hosts all base, updates and  
extras packages for all Fedora releases since version 1, so I imagine  
adding the FL created packages shouldn't take a lot of extra space.

It wouldn't take space, but mirrors aren't generally keen on taking on a load
of new content for a small usage base. There is already a mirror system for
Legacy itself http://fedoralegacy.org/download/fedoralegacy-mirrors.php

Any of these mirrors could be convinced to keep the content online longer.

[Jesse Keating]

Post by Jesse Keating
It wouldn't take space

Correction, wouldn't take huge amounts of space.

[seth vidal]

Post by Jesse Keating

Post by Jesse Keating
It wouldn't take space

Correction, wouldn't take huge amounts of space.

It's 63GB in total.

-sv

[Axel Thimm]

Post by seth vidal

Post by Jesse Keating

Post by Jesse Keating
It wouldn't take space

Correction, wouldn't take huge amounts of space.

It's 63GB in total.

I count about 10GB. The difference is probably the fedora/redhat
non-legacy updates from *.redhat.com, but in any case if someone wants
to archive FL's work he needs just 10GB.

1698108 /srv/atrpms.net/dl-repo.master/rh7.3-i386/redhat/updates-legacy
174952 /srv/atrpms.net/dl-repo.master/rh8.0-i386/redhat/updates-legacy
680 /srv/atrpms.net/dl-repo.master/rh8.0-i386/redhat/updates-legacy-testing
1631480 /srv/atrpms.net/dl-repo.master/rh9-i386/redhat/updates-legacy
108 /srv/atrpms.net/dl-repo.master/rh9-i386/redhat/updates-legacy-testing
1228616 /srv/atrpms.net/dl-repo.master/fc1-i386/redhat/updates-legacy
548756 /srv/atrpms.net/dl-repo.master/fc2-i386/redhat/updates-legacy
235680 /srv/atrpms.net/dl-repo.master/fc3-i386/redhat/updates-legacy
234696 /srv/atrpms.net/dl-repo.master/fc3-x86_64/redhat/updates-legacy
108 /srv/atrpms.net/dl-repo.master/fc4-i386/redhat/updates-legacy
112 /srv/atrpms.net/dl-repo.master/fc4-x86_64/redhat/updates-legacy
1040256 /srv/atrpms.net/dl-repo.master/src/rh7.3-i386/redhat/updates-legacy
57688 /srv/atrpms.net/dl-repo.master/src/rh8.0-i386/redhat/updates-legacy
436 /srv/atrpms.net/dl-repo.master/src/rh8.0-i386/redhat/updates-legacy-testing
1229792 /srv/atrpms.net/dl-repo.master/src/rh9-i386/redhat/updates-legacy
328 /srv/atrpms.net/dl-repo.master/src/rh9-i386/redhat/updates-legacy-testing
1092420 /srv/atrpms.net/dl-repo.master/src/fc1-i386/redhat/updates-legacy
560940 /srv/atrpms.net/dl-repo.master/src/fc2-i386/redhat/updates-legacy
4 /srv/atrpms.net/dl-repo.master/src/fc2-x86_64/redhat/updates-legacy
302600 /srv/atrpms.net/dl-repo.master/src/fc3-i386/redhat/updates-legacy
4 /srv/atrpms.net/dl-repo.master/src/fc3-x86_64/redhat/updates-legacy
360 /srv/atrpms.net/dl-repo.master/src/fc4-i386/redhat/updates-legacy
4 /srv/atrpms.net/dl-repo.master/src/fc4-ppc/redhat/updates-legacy
4 /srv/atrpms.net/dl-repo.master/src/fc4-x86_64/redhat/updates-legacy
10038132 total

N.B. The "empty" src folders of fcX-x86_64 are due to hardlinking with
fcX-i386, if hardlinks are counted seperately you have 11GB (10902376
bytes) instead.

[Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)]

Post by Axel Thimm

Post by seth vidal

Post by Jesse Keating

Post by Jesse Keating
It wouldn't take space

Correction, wouldn't take huge amounts of space.

It's 63GB in total.

I count about 10GB. The difference is probably the fedora/redhat
non-legacy updates from *.redhat.com, but in any case if someone wants
to archive FL's work he needs just 10GB.

The legacy and non-legacy updates are not in separate directories on
download.fedoralegacy.org. Is there an easy way to just download
(rsync?) the legacy updates? The non-legacy base and updates packages
are still available at download.fedora.redhat.com. Or does anyone
know of a download.fedoralegacy.org mirror that won't shutdown after
download.fedoralegacy.org goes away?

Nils Breunese.

[Axel Thimm]

Post by Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)

Post by Axel Thimm

Post by seth vidal

Post by Jesse Keating

Post by Jesse Keating
It wouldn't take space

Correction, wouldn't take huge amounts of space.

It's 63GB in total.

I count about 10GB. The difference is probably the fedora/redhat
non-legacy updates from *.redhat.com, but in any case if someone wants
to archive FL's work he needs just 10GB.

The legacy and non-legacy updates are not in separate directories on
download.fedoralegacy.org.

Yes, I'm removing the packages that already exist on the non-legacy
updates (I have a mirror of them, too).

Post by Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)
Is there an easy way to just download
(rsync?) the legacy updates?

I think all packages have "legacy" in their names, so using proper
rsync options like excluding '*.rpm' and then including '*legacy*rpm'
should work.

Post by Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)
The non-legacy base and updates packages are still available at
download.fedora.redhat.com. Or does anyone know of a
download.fedoralegacy.org mirror that won't shutdown after
download.fedoralegacy.org goes away?

[Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)]

Post by Axel Thimm

Post by Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)
Is there an easy way to just download
(rsync?) the legacy updates?

I think all packages have "legacy" in their names, so using proper
rsync options like excluding '*.rpm' and then including '*legacy*rpm'
should work.

I have trouble gettinng this to work. When I exclude *.rpm and
include *legacy*.rpm I seem to receive no rpms at all. I ran the
following dry-run command:

$ rsync -avH --exclude "*.rpm" --include "*legacy*rpm" --dry-run
download.fedoralegacy.org::legacy legacy

What am I doing wrong here?

Thanks,

Nils Breunese.

[Axel Thimm]

Post by Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)

Post by Axel Thimm

Post by Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)
Is there an easy way to just download
(rsync?) the legacy updates?

I think all packages have "legacy" in their names, so using proper
rsync options like excluding '*.rpm' and then including '*legacy*rpm'
should work.

I have trouble gettinng this to work. When I exclude *.rpm and
include *legacy*.rpm I seem to receive no rpms at all. I ran the
$ rsync -avH --exclude "*.rpm" --include "*legacy*rpm" --dry-run
download.fedoralegacy.org::legacy legacy
What am I doing wrong here?

The order needs to be reversed (rsybc stops at first match),
e.g. something like

rsync -nvaH --delete \
--include '*legacy*rpm' \
--include '*/' \
--exclude '*' \
--stats \
rsync://download.fedoralegacy.org/legacy/ \
legacy

yields:
[...]

Post by Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)
Number of files: 3090
Number of files transferred: 2737
Total file size: 10481717817 bytes
Total transferred file size: 10285704687 bytes
Literal data: 0 bytes
Matched data: 0 bytes
File list size: 147410
Total bytes sent: 11050
Total bytes received: 158395
sent 11050 bytes received 158395 bytes 7210.43 bytes/sec
total size is 10481717817 speedup is 61859.12

which seems to be matching the 10GB mentioned before.

[Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)]

Post by Axel Thimm

Post by Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)
I have trouble gettinng this to work. When I exclude *.rpm and
include *legacy*.rpm I seem to receive no rpms at all. I ran the
$ rsync -avH --exclude "*.rpm" --include "*legacy*rpm" --dry-run
download.fedoralegacy.org::legacy legacy
What am I doing wrong here?

The order needs to be reversed (rsybc stops at first match)

Thanks, it's working now.

Nils Breunese.

[Kevin Bonner]

Post by Axel Thimm

Post by Nils Breunese (Lemonbit)
Is there an easy way to just download
(rsync?) the legacy updates?

I think all packages have "legacy" in their names, so using proper
rsync options like excluding '*.rpm' and then including '*legacy*rpm'
should work.

I removed the '*legacy*rpm' inclusion rules, grabbed the entire tree, and just
hardlinked against our local fedora/redhat mirrors. I found at least one
package (tzdata) that didn't follow the "legacy" naming convention which
needed to be updated on my older servers.

fedora/3/updates/i386/tzdata-2006a-2.fc3.1.noarch.rpm

Kevin Bonner

[Moire]

Legacy folks need to let us know what they want to be done with the
content in the repository mirrors.

Hello, like other people i depend on FC3 for production systems.
I would like to see the repositories being accessible. Not only
to be able to install additional rpms and there dependencies.

Besides - many thanks for your efforts. M.